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  • Slipforming, part 17 – Turret’s syndrome


    This post follows Slipforming, part 16 – Balcony railing…at last. To see a complete index of slipforming posts, click here. For an index of comical posts, click here.

    homecoming parade 016I’m calling this chapter “Turret’s syndrome” not because I intend to mis-spell and discuss Tourette’s Syndrome, which, for those who do not know, is an affliction that often results in someone blurting out profanities at inopportune times.  Instead, I intend to share some ideas on turrets, which are those cone shaped roof toppers that adorn some homes and government buildings.  Frankly, they cause the same symptoms…profanity.  For Tourette sufferers, there is medication and therapy.  For turret sufferers, no remedy exists, aside from ditching the idea of adding a cone-shaped roof topper to one’s home, or profanely gritting one’s teeth through it.

    My own case of turret syndrome began with an old book on German castles, many of which were over 500 years old.  This inspired me because, ignorantly, I figured if they could do it 500+ years ago, without all the power tools we have at our disposal today, the project ought to be a cake walk with our advanced technology.  Oh my!  Ignorance truly is bliss.

    Above left, a curved turret that adorns a Victorian home in Delta, Colorado.  I actually wanted the turrets on our home to be curved like these, but my husband, Ken, thought the idea was too “girly.”  Considering the extra labor, I conceded, but I still love this look.  The carpenter, who built this in the early 1900s, probably knew it would still be appreciated this much later, as it will 100 years from now, if the home stands that long.

    In constructing our house, the goal was to do it inexpensively, but not to sacrifice style, if possible. Since insurance costs increase with the number of corners on the base of the home, I opted to save any fancy touches for the roofline.  My father’s bookcase was a wealth of fun material.  Since I loved the German architecture, I grabbed up a book on German castles, and found many had these beautiful turrets.  I found one, in particular, which had a turret almost the same height as the building beneath it.  “That’s what I need!” I said, having no idea how to build one.

    I became a familiar face at the local lumber store, enduring ridicule on almost every shopping trip.  I asked if they had any how-to books on turrets.  “Nope,” came the answer.  Odd, I thought.  There are many homes in our area that sport turrets, so I wondered how they learned to build them.  The lumber guy was no help, instead giving me the number of his cousin who could put on a straight roof cheaper than anyone.  I groaned.

    Turret 3It was at this juncture that I consulted with a civil engineer, showing him my German book photo of a 500+ year old roofline, and asking how they built those.  “They didn’t even have power tools,” I encouraged, adding that it couldn’t have been that hard.  I remember his reply to this day.  “Yes, but they had master carpenters, who taught their secrets only to their sons.  And they had slaves.  As many as they needed,” said the engineer, adding that if one or two died, it was not really an issue.  He said a turret could be designed, but he urged a partial turret – with the back half extending straight back to the roof.  That was not what I wanted.  I think those often look awkward.  A turret is supposed to be regal, self-standing, stately, and confident.  They are not supposed to lean, or cling to the building they top.  At least that is my opinion.  Steep turrets prove a daring spirit.  They thumb their noses at convention.  Who does not want something like that atop their house?

    At right, a curved Victorian turret tops a building in Ouray, Colorado.  This one may act as a bell tower since the windows beneath it are open.

    The civil engineer, though a great guy, was doing his best to accommodate, but not to encourage “daring” stuff in our home.  He wanted it stable.  He wanted it easy to roof.  He wanted it not to kill someone.  He “helped” by designing a six-sided turret which would be attached to a four sided base, of which two sides would not exist, as they were opening into the room.  (Truly, with hindsight, I think some of the men involved in this endeavor were purposely trying to drive me insane with unusual complications that were unnecessary.)  Respectfully, I am sure he had his reasons, but at the time and still today, they were all lost on me.  It complicated my mission substantially.  I took his ideas, built the four-sided base, and also built a to-scale model of our roof.  I gave my kids a bunch of Popsicles.  “Give me back those wooden sticks,” I said.  Several minutes later, I had a bunch of blue and purple tongued kids and a fist full of Popsicle sticks with which to make my model-sized turret.  I worked and worked, but geometrically the concept was something out of a horror film.  I was facing double-compound angles, and a six-sided top trying to descend onto a four-sided base.  I ate a Popsicle or two myself.  It was no help.  In disgust, I finally opted to phone my old geometry teacher.  I was 34.  The last time I had talked to him I was probably 18.  It would take a little explaining.

    “Mr. Valaer?” I said.  “Did you offer a lifetime guarantee on that geometry class?”

    Not missing a beat, he replied, “Weren’t you the one who sat in the back of the class and asked, ‘When am I ever going to NEED this stuff?’”  I was guilty as charged.  A little more pleading and curiosity got the better of him.

    Mr. Valaer goes into my chronicle as one of the greatest teachers on the planet.  Not only had he tutored me for an entire year in high school after hours, he seemed tickled to visit a student who was actually putting his lessons to some use.  When he arrived, he scratched his head, a little shocked that the project had advanced as far as it had.  He acted impressed by my to-scale mock roof and grabbed up a Popsicle stick and smirked as he looked at me over his glasses.  He pulled out a measuring tape, looked at my four-sided base, asked what I did that for – grimaced at my answer, and shook his head.  “I’m going to teach you how to cheat,” he said, flatly.

    “You never taught that in high school,” I said, smiling.

    “You didn’t need it then.  You need it NOW!” he said.

    Turret 4At left, is the turret that tops the Beaumont Hotel in Ouray, Colorado.  The turret builder was obviously an over-achiever.  It is actually one turret flanked by four mini-turrets.  It also has mini bump-out windows adorning at least two sides.  Note:  the turret topper, a golden affair, is probably MUCH larger than one would imagine.  The size of these toppers diminishes greatly when placed atop a very high roof.

    Mr. Valaer told me to decide however tall I wanted my turrets, and to draw a big “L” on my concrete pad.  Then, to lay the top part of my frame lumber over the “L” as a hypotenuse.  (For those who are mathematically challenged, you close the “L” making it into a triangle.)  Then, he said, you draw the line over the lumber on both ends where the framing lumber overlaps the edges of the “L.”

    Do that six times, and you’ll have the exact angles every time.  From there, it was a visual job of running down and outside to view the turret frame from the ground.  I did not want a crooked turret, and because the turret entered the roof, the double compound angles created a shorter back side of the turret.  Truly, had I known at the time how challenging these would be, I am not sure I would have opted to include them.  Now, however, I love them.  They give our home character and it was fun to figure out how to construct them.  That said, I look back at the sheer number of turrets you see from the turn of the century, from hundreds of years ago, and the effort is impressive.

    Turret 5At left, a classic six-sided turret with an ornate topper in Ouray, Colorado.  The roofer chose to use curved wooden shingles and a flanged bottom to give the turret added style points.  On my home, I wanted a graceful flanged bottom edge on ours too.  I tried, but mine ended up being crisper instead of gracefully curved.  If I was building more of these, I could do the graceful curve, but these definitely take a special artistic knack, patience and time.  The actual cost, aside from time, was not substantial.

    As a side note, I hired a roofer, Dave Monroe, to roof our home.  He also helped with the interior framing.  I asked him if he could roof a turret, and he shot back, “If you can frame it, I can roof it!”  Dave clearly did not think I would be able to build one.  Then, he stuck me with tar-papering it, too.  I could not fit into the harnesses, so I carefully tied myself off with a rope, but truly, we all knew that if I had an accident, it would not end well.  As I teetered my way out there, the phone rang.  Dave grabs it and says, “It’s for you,” as he tossed the phone to me.  Buggar!  Nearly killed me.

    Incidentally, for those considering adding a turret, there is another consideration:  the turret topper.  Usually, the turret topper is a metal cone with some ornamentation atop it.  This piece protects and finishes the turret beneath it.  If you go to old historic buildings, they often have these ornate tops and one can gather a lot of great ideas from those.  I purchased a huge topper, but because the height was so extreme on our roof, and because the view is from a road 50 yards away, my huge toppers are almost insignificant.  Again, from a strictly thrilling aspect, the turret toppers are a real “investment.”  They are exciting to choose, exciting to cart to the rooftop, exciting to get fastened onto the turret, and very exciting to screw in place.  There is a gigantic sigh of relief when those are done.

    Turret with coved edges

    Since the installation of ours, I saw another idea for an unusual roof topper.  One builder piped natural gas onto the eave of his roof-line and had a talented iron worker weld the head of a dragon.  He affixed the head onto the point of his eave.  Then, with a flip of a switch he can ignite the flames which come from the mouth of the dragon.  During daylight hours, one sees only the head of the dragon, but on special occasions, especially at night, he flips the switch and the flames come shooting out of the mouth of the dragon and are awe-inspiring.

    The artist who designed the turret and roofline shown at right, went to great lengths to set his turrets apart.  This turret is found in Ouray, Colorado, an old mining town.  The architecture tells the story of a booming economy of the late 1800s and into the early 1900s, when artistic details were placed on many buildings because, at that time, cost was largely unimportant.  Incidentally, Ouray is home to some spectacular hot springs and one can only imagine that the roofers who did this sort of work needed the soothing relief of the hot springs after a long day of working on details like these.

    The moral of this whole chapter is that building your home can be an artistic, as well as architectural, adventure.  I never considered how much fun one could have – for relatively little in extra expense (if you are doing the work yourself).  Dream big, do not listen to the naysayers, then make it happen!

    (See Slipforming, part 18 – for the next thread.  If you do not see a Part 18, keep checking.  I’m still working on it.)

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    5 Comments on “
    Slipforming, part 17 – Turret’s syndrome”

    1. Kitty Burns Says:

      Nice photos and information on some of the classic turrets in our area! You indeed did not listen to the naysayers!

    2. Ashley Says:

      Hi Dani,

      I noticed you don’t have your email address posted (which I can’t say I blame you), so I decided to comment here in the hope that you’ll see this and respond. I contacted Tom Elpel asking how long it took you to do the slipforming part of your house – I’m planning a project of similar size with just me and my husband working on it, so I wanted a very rough time estimate – but he couldn’t remember. Would you mind giving me some timeline details? You can either respond to this comment, or email me at the address I provided. Thank you so much!

      ~Ashley

    3. Dani Says:

      Hi Ashley. Because I know others are interested in my reply, too, I am submitting it both here and directly to you.

      Timeline is a difficult thing to assess, and I will explain why. First, my main helper was my (at that time) 73-year-old dad. He was only willing to pour cement from 9-noon because he wanted to take a nap in the afternoon. This actually worked to my advantage because I was able to set up forms for the next days pour during the afternoon. However, if you were working with a husband instead of a parent, it might go faster. You don’t mention the age of your husband, so if he’s 85, maybe it will NOT go faster! Or, if you two don’t get along well, it could take forever! : )

      Second, we had ample rocks at the site. If you are working in a rocky environment, that’s great, but if you are having to collect rocks, your project will take longer.

      Third, the back side of this home is set into a hillside, so we were able to have the concrete conveyed through a flexible tube with no rocks on most of the bottom floor walls. That was substantially faster than if we had been setting rocks on all sides.

      Fourth, on the weekends I was also supervising two children ages 6 and 8. Dad refused to work with that much chaos, so that was an exciting experience on the weekends for my husband and I.

      Those issues considered, the first level of our home took approximately 4 months, not including the construction of the slipforms. I began those in mid-July and completed them sometime the next month. When you look at our home, there are several windows, and on the southern side there are two big garage doors, so that portion of the home went up very fast! Getting the crane to set the I-beams took some time to coordinate. The second floor of the home was where I hired more help. The second story is framed with a rock exterior siding, and that was in some ways harder than the work below it. It was higher, so it took longer to get the cement up to the scaffolding. Also, my dad had a major stroke at the end of the work season the first year. It took time to help him recover.

      All told, the rock portions of the home took less than 1 year of work during good weather. The completion of the interior of the home took us more time, especially since we were living in it while working on it. We just finished our master bathroom a couple weeks ago – which marks the 12th year. It was the only room completely done without our involvement.

      This project has brought us much joy. I am very, very, very sorry to report that my husband was diagnosed this July with terminal brain cancer. That is why we had to hire the work on the master bathroom. It had to be handicap-accessible and we could not do it ourselves. It goes without saying that one NEVER plans for this turn of events, but, in a way, we did and that has allowed us to stay in this home. I urge you to build your project with handicapped options if possible, as you never know. I am thrilled with how this home has performed under the stress of having lots of family members visit. My husband continues to convalesce, and I can honestly say, building this home with him has been an enormous tribute to him, his love for me, our children and my mom and dad. If I was given the opportunity to do it all again, I would. It has been one of the best things we have ever done with the exception of our children.

      Good luck with your project.

    4. ken bogart Says:

      Hi Dani,

      First I’ll start out by wishing you and your husband well in his battle against brain cancer. I just by chance happened to stumble over your website and felt compelled to send you an email. I started my slipform stone house in 2005 and we moved into it completely in 2007. I saw your house back when I was researching mine before I started, and you were quite an inspiration to me. I just knew that if you could do it then I should be able to as well. I read many books on the subject, about as many as I could find but I always enjoyed the article you had written for Tom Elpel. I was glad when I found your site and much more information on your house. Building my own house was one of my greatest endeavors, and I feel that I leave a wonderful legacy for my kids that should (hopefully) stand forever. I haven’t found many websites on the subject of slipform masonry…and I am always surfing to find others that are attempting to build their own. I live in upstate NY, and my house has always been warm and cozy through the tough NY winters, the photos of your house in the winter look great. Thanks for all of the help and inspiration, and if you do get contacted by others in my area looking to start a home of their own, feel free to give them my address. I’d be happy to provide them with any advice that I could.

    5. Dani Says:

      Ken, your note warmed my heart! It is so nice to know that my rambling account has helped someone else. I’d love it if you would send me some photos of your home and I am glad the process worked as well for you as it did for us.

      My best,
      Dani

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